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D: [D: = Dr. Day] Dr. Lorraine Day was an orthopedic surgeon at San Francisco General Hospital. She is one of this country's preeminent experts on the subject of the AIDS virus.
Dr. Day, one of the questions that is most frequently asked about the AIDS virus concerns casual transmission. Do you believe that the AIDS virus can be transmitted through casual contact?
D: Well, it depends on what you describe and define as "casual contact." You see the Centers, in Atlanta, for Disease Control will tell you that children can go to school with children who have AIDS--because it cannot be transmitted by casual contact. But on the other hand, a school district in Michigan is handing out latex gloves to the school teachers because children get injured on the playing field or have a nose bleed,--and this is no longer casual contact. You then have blood and body fluid potential for transmission.
So what they call casual contact must be passing somebody in the hallway or two people having a conversation with several feet distance between them or shaking hands. The CDC tell us restaurant workers can prepare food because that is casual contact. However, they don't take into consideration that restaurant workers get cut five to six times a month while preparing food and can bleed into your food. In addition, it is a known fact that gay men frequently work in restaurants. The AIDS virus does not die on contact with the air and it is dangerous. The CDC have a very broad brush when they paint "casual contact," but when you pin them down, you find there is almost no "casual contact." It is always a potential AIDS disaster for someone.
A: [A: = Announcer] As we look into the situation and the debate over whether Magic Johnson should play in certain athletic games--that question has been raised internationally.
D: Well clearly, it is dangerous for Magic Johnson to play in those games because it has already been documented in the Lancet [a British medical journal] that AIDS was transmitted on the playing field. For example, it occurred during a soccer game when two soccer players hit heads and transmitted blood instantaneously to each other. And it has been documented that one of those two players was already HIV positive, but the other team didn't know. And the one he hit had been tested previously for some other reason. Within a few weeks after the incident the newly infected player had a high fever, lymph nodes, and within three months was positive. Another well-documented case was at a wedding reception, where it was transmitted by just a little nick in the hand from a fist fight. You could take anyone, from the Centers for Disease Control and say you know that contact sports can cause blood transmission from one player to another,--and then ask him, "Do you want your son to play in this game with someone who is infected?" Not one of them would let his son do it. The people at the CDC just want to let everybody else's sons do it.
A: Dr. Day, a year ago at a convention I was given a piece of literature from CDC. On one side of the card was written, "Misconceptions about how AIDS is contracted? Item number 1, by drinking from the same drinking glass you could not get AIDS and by using the same toothbrush you could not get AIDS." And it listed about ten or twelve things. Then I turned the page over and on the other side of the page it said, "Things to Do to Keep from Contracting AIDS." And there it said, "Don't use the same toothbrush and don't drink from the same drinking glass." They were giving mixed messages. How reliable do you, as a physician, feel that the message from the CDC is in informing the public of the transmission of AIDS?
D: They are totally unreliable. The Centers for Disease Control is not there to protect health care workers or the public. They are there for political reasons and to protect their jobs. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say that the former surgeon General Koop, who was U.S. surgeon general, was head of the CDC, would say, "Oh, you have to work very hard to catch this disease. AIDS is very difficult to catch." But then they tell health care workers to cover their bodies from top to bottom when they are dealing with the fluids of a patient. Yet they tell the public, "If you are going to have sex with someone who has AIDS, you takeoff all your clothes and just put on a condom." They are not going to get the message across while they keep saying this disease is not a big problem. They are going to have to go out there and say, "We have a terrible problem on our hands; and if you don't realize it, you are going to get AIDS and die." But they don't want to do that. They keep spending all of their time and money trying to reduce everybody's fear of the virus.
A: Dr. Day, being an orthopedic surgeon at San Francisco General Hospital put you in a high range of risk. Your peers indicated you were well over 90 percent at risk. I recall you sharing that with us. Could you describe some of the threats of airborne AIDS virus or HIV? Is this something that has substance to it? Is there evidence to show that the AIDS virus can be transmitted through the air?
D: The first time I started thinking about this was when an article in the JAMA [Journal of American Medical Association] warned doctors, who use the laser on another virus (the one causing venereal warts), that a special virus was aerosolized alive and still biologically effective in the plume of the laser. Aerosolation means that tiny fragments, or small virus particles, are thrown up into the air and remain airborne indefinitely. It can be breathed into your lungs and, like the dust in the sunbeam or particles of hair spray, it remains in the air. These airborne viruses can go right through a surgical mask. So they would have to wear respirators--and not just a mask.
During surgery, we as orthopedic trauma surgeons are covered with blood. These are not the very nice operations you see on television. We take care of people with massive gun shot wounds, who have been stabbed numerous times, fallen out of buildings, or run over. They have blood coming out of all parts of their body. This blood flows all over the floor. It's on our feet, all over our legs, going through our gowns onto our abdominal underwear, and being sprayed all over our faces because orthopedic surgeons are the carpenters of surgery. We use high-power saws, electric power saws, drills, and reamers. It would be like making a bookcase and I came over to your house and said you cannot start sawing on it with your power saws until I put all of your lumber in this vat of HIV positive blood and submerged it in there. That is the kind of spraying we have in the operating room. And, yes, the HIV virus does stay alive, intact and infective in the air for a distance of at least two feet from its source. This was published in the Stanford University Journal of Medical Virology, January 19, 1991.
A: Considering the environment in which you worked, it probably was a deep concern to you.
D: Yes, while being told all the time by so-called experts, including those from the Centers for Disease Control that this was not a risky environment.
A: When you first went to ask them, if I recall correctly, the response was there was no research to support that fact, that it was risky.
D: Oh, yes. In fact, one of the doctors at our hospital, who was recently on the television show Twenty-Twenty, showed how dangerous it was for surgeons when they were using needles. She was the one who had earlier told me repeatedly that it was not dangerous for us. You couldn't get AIDS from a needle stick, she said, and then she published an article in August 1987 showing that sixty health care workers from San Francisco General had been stuck with needles that had HIV positive blood, and not a single one had turned positive. Well, of course, the study was published too early. One of those nurses--and now a second one--has turned positive, and they are going to get AIDS and die. That same doctor has now taken a 180-degree turn, because it is now politically acceptable to say that surgeons are at risk. In fact, there is research funding money there, so she has moved over to the other side.
A: The question remains, Why are we getting these mixed messages? Let's go to the phones. We have a caller, Bill.
C: [C: = Caller] I am a respiratory therapist, and I am so pleased that Dr. Day has had the courage to do what she is doing. I did some research of my own two years ago. I called an eminent British virologist, Dr. John Field. He gave me his list of references which he used when he addressed the House of Parliament around 1987. I looked up all of these references in the various medical journals. I just want to confirm with Dr. Day what they stated here. One is in Lancet (the British medical publication), September 28, 1985, page 772.
"Some infectious virus was still present since the release of the virus was seen on day 10. This result indicates that there is virus resistance to room temperature in either dry or wet form."
That is one study. Another one, in a sense, collaborates that, and it was published in JAMA [Journal of the American Medical Association], April 11, 1986, on page 1890.
"Infectious self-free viruses could be recovered from dried material after up to three days in room temperature."
Other data indicates that the infectious virus survives longer then fifteen days at room temperature and for eleven days at 36-37 degrees centigrade. The third article, among the eleven, that I want to share with you, is from the New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, Vol. 313, page 183. At the time the article was written, HIV was called LAV: Lymph Endotropic Endiovirus.
"LAV, detected by examination of reverse transcript activities and the supinate, was isolated from the lymphocytes in the peripheral blood and lavage fluids simultaneously."
Lung biopsy tissue and lung fluids were examined and found to have HIV. So you can obviously draw the conclusion that the virus is able to survive in the lungs, and can be coughed out.
A: Thanks Bill. Dr. Day, we are talking about the ability to live for extended periods of time, I believe you've also done research on that and have some shocking statistics that may be contrary to what the liberals and soft-sell people are saying on the subject of AIDS.
D: Well, the man who called in is absolutely correct. He's researched it, and the article is showing that the virus does stay alive and infective outside of the body for as long as three to seven days, dried, and fourteen to fifteen days, wet.
One of those articles was from the Pasteur Institute in France, where Rock Hudson went for his treatments and where the French discovered how the AIDS virus works. This is not fringe research. These are people who know what they are doing. This article was published back in 1985, and yet you continually hear from the so-called experts that the AIDS virus dies rapidly outside of the body, that it dies on contact with the air.
Much of these errors are being generated over and over again by the AIDS hotlines. I called some of them, and they give you this whole business that the AIDS virus dies on contact with the air. I will push them and say, "Would you give me your references for that?" Well, they don't have any. When you start tracking it down, you realize that almost all the AIDS hotlines in this country, are handled by the homosexual community. The gay activists dominate these lines; in fact, if you call the hotline for the Centers for Disease Control, it is not run by the Centers for Disease. It is contracted out through another organization. I have tried to ask them over the phone, "Let me talk to the supervisors of this organization?" They will not tell me. I ask again, "Where are you?" They will not tell me. They will say, "We are somewhere in the East." You cannot find out. Having the gay activists run all of the AIDS hotlines in this country is like asking the tobacco manufacturers to run the anti-smoking campaigns. This does not work. The people are not getting the information that is correct.
A: How long does the AIDS virus survive outside of the body? Is blood on intact skin dangerous? Is the blood supply safe? Is there a risk from HIV positive children in schools, daycare centers, and in contact sports? What about mosquitoes? These are some of the questions answered in the book by Dr. Lorraine Day, entitled, AIDS. What the Government Is Not Telling You. As chief orthopedic surgeon at San Francisco Hospital, Dr. Day has operated on as many AIDS patients as any surgeon in the country. She explains in her book how she discovered the experts were not telling the truth about AIDS. She reveals astonishing but well-documented facts about the AIDS epidemic; facts the government denies but which you must know to protect yourself and your family from this fatal disease.
C: Lee is on the phone: Dr. Day, I was wondering about HIV being a retrovirus and replicating with RNA as its genetic material, making it more highly susceptible to mutations. Realistically, how likely is it that a cure for HIV can be found? And are there any other cures found for any other diseases caused by retroviruses?
D: It is highly unlikely there will be a cure or a vaccine for the AIDS virus for the varying reasons that you stated. The retrovirus mutates very rapidly. An example of this kind of thing is the way the flu vaccine does not work very well. It works somewhat, but it is not complete because, each year, it must be made against the major flu virus from the previous year. By the time you get the flu vaccine made and give it to people this year, that flu virus has already mutated. So the vaccine does not work very well against it. But the flu virus is not a retrovirus. It does not become part of the cell. In fact, there was an article in the paper not too long ago showing that the Cold Institute in this country closed down after forty years. The Cold Institute was a mixed multinational effort to try to develop a vaccine for the common cold. The common cold is a much simpler virus than the AIDS virus, but it also mutates very rapidly and changes form. They were totally unsuccessful and after forty years closed down the Cold Institute. Well, they keep talking about a cure vaccine for AIDS as being right around the corner. But, if you talk to the people who are really doing the work, they admit that there may never be a cure vaccine and definitely nothing for at least a decade.
C: Could you tell me what type of precautions we could take for those of us going back into the medical field?
I have just written a book that has a whole chapter on health care workers, their risks, and what to do to protect yourselves. Certainly you must never get any blood or body fluids on you. You must wear latex gloves all the time. Don't wear the vinyl gloves. I explain in the book why they don't work. If they get alcohol on them, they are virtually useless. The virus can go through them. You must wear face shields if you are going to have any fluids splash on you--any body fluid, including saliva or urine. All of them are dangerous because they all contain the virus. This is discussed very clearly in the book.
C: Joe - Thanks for your book, Dr. Day. It is one of the best documented books written. How can we check the documentation in the book since we do not have access to the medical information sources it lists?
D: You probably have a hospital close to you. Every hospital has a medical library. Almost all of the references that I quote are from major medical journals such as the Journal of Medicine, Lancet, and Journal of the American Medical Association, which are in every hospital library. Even the small ones will have these journals. So you can go to your hospital, ask the hospital librarian to show them to you, and you can copy the articles there.
C: Dr. Day, thank you for your book. My husband is an instructor for the American Red Cross on CPR and first-aid. At the present time, the courses for first-aiders do not mention HIV or AIDS. He is teaching mouth to mouth resuscitation, and takes some of the course time to inform his participants about the dangers of saliva as a carrier of the HIV virus. The actual Red Cross public information is the standard line. "Don't worry about saliva, perspiration, etc." My question is, when teaching CPR and first aid courses, how much should be told to class students about the HIV and AIDS virus?
D: The saliva is very dangerous. It contains blood cells that have been shown in the study, by doctors in Italy, which I talk about in the book. Human saliva contains blood cells 91 percent of the time after passionate kissing, 80 percent after brushing their teeth, and 40 percent of the time after eating. If you have a patient that has fainted, or has had a heart attack or something, they also may even have actual blood coming out of their mouths. It is extremely dangerous. In fact, the internal medicine doctors and the emergency room doctors have voted that they do not have to put their mouths on somebody else's mouth. There is a small device which actually should be sold or made available in these CPR classes, where you could put that between yourself and the patient in order to resuscitate them without having your mouth in direct contact with their mouth, saliva, and possibly blood. The doctors arrange the legislation to protect themselves, but don't pass it on to the general public.
C: Lee - How safe is the blood supply? Should I be worried if I have an accident and I go to a hospital? What documentation can I check at the hospital to make sure about their plans to treat me? As a citizen, in laymen's terms, what evidence is out there for me to approach the local politician and say "Look, the CDC is not being straight with us; here's the proof," and--then hold them accountable for their vote?
D: In answer to your last question, my book has all the medical references in the back. Again, you can get those medical references through the library in your local hospital; you can read them for yourselves. I will have a book coming out in the future with all this documentation arranged scientifically in a much more medically-oriented way. This book I wrote is for the general public because it is very understandable, but it's also referenced. Your first question about the blood supply: The blood supply is still not safe. It is a lot safer than it was before we had a test for AIDS. However, the AIDS test is not a test for the virus itself. It is a test for the antibody to the virus. Ninety-five percent of the people turn positive for the antibody within six weeks to six months after exposure to the virus. A few will take as long as three years to turn positive. During all this time, the blood will test negative, but will have the virus in it and able to transmit it to somebody who receives that blood. The incidence of contamination now is estimated to be a ratio of 1 to 50,000 units or something like that. If you get that one unit, you are dead. So the only way to avoid HIV in the blood you receive is to give your own blood before any scheduled operative procedure. And, if your doctor tells you that you don't have to do that because the blood supply is totally safe, he is either totally uninformed, or is telling you what is untrue. You must give your own blood for any scheduled procedure.
A: Dr. Day, I just want you to know that, as we have been talking, a caller called the AIDS hotline right in this city. He asked them about your philosophy. The registered nurse on duty told this caller you were crazy, and there is no way that the AIDS virus could penetrate a condom unless it was broken.
D: That is not true. The person saying that is totally uninformed. And I can tell you, when you call these people on the AIDS hotline, they have not read any literature. They just speak from what is put in front of them. The three fracture studies have shown that there are five-micron channels in all sterile latex gloves that we use in the operative room, and the standard for condoms are even lower. There are open channels in all condoms. The AIDS virus can go through those channels. Of course, it is even more dangerous if the condom breaks. If it is exposed to oral base lubricants, it may appear to be intact, but its ability to keep out most of the virus has been destroyed. If it is exposed to ozone (caused by a tiny hole in the package, so that some smog or something can get into it), that alone will destroy the safety of the condom and yet the condom will look totally undamaged.
Condoms do not provide safe sex. This is an insult to the women of America. The women of America know that condoms are virtually the worst form of birth control. Women get pregnant 14 percent of the time using condoms, and they can only get pregnant three to four days a month, while you can transmit AIDS every day of the month. So you have to take that 14 percent and double, triple, or quadruple it for the transmission of AIDS. And I can tell you that is not safe sex.
A: The reason I said that, Dr. Day, is because that is the kind of information which confirms what you said about calling your typical AIDS hotline.
D: That's right. Not only that, but did the person who called in ask them who runs that hotline?
A: We understand that the operation of it is in concert with our own municipal AIDS project. We also understand that this project is very heavily involved with homosexuals. So there is no question about what you said there.
C: What practical things can a person do who has to do their everyday shopping, like handling fruit at the store, doorknobs, going out to eat? What can we do and how big of a risk is it?
D: All fruit should be peeled or it should be washed with soap and water for several reasons. Number 1: We are now having open trade with Mexico. A lot of Mexico's vegetables, and any fruit grown near the ground, are fertilized with human fertilizer. We are going to have nothing but disease coming across the border from Mexico. Cholera is a big problem. In fact, somebody died of cholera in Los Angeles a week ago. They got it from a flight in Argentina where the plane stopped. We could have a major epidemic of cholera and other diseases, so you should wash your fruit anyway. Wash it with soap and water, and you will mechanically remove most of the contaminant. Or else peel it.
Going to restaurants is risky because, as I said earlier, restaurant workers may get cut five or six times a month. What we should do, instead of saying we will not go to restaurants anymore, is to band together and demand legislation that requires that restaurant workers be tested for HIV as they are tested for tuberculosis. We should not say, We'll let everyone work where they want and those of us who are not affected will start staying in our houses more and more and more. This is an epidemic where we should have protection for the uninfected. We should have treatments for those who are infected, but they cannot be allowed to transmit this disease to anyone they please.
C: Hello, my name is John. Dr. Day just said something about AIDS being in the urine. This would mean a high possibility that you can contract the virus if someone prior to you with AIDS used that toilet.
D: Well, I can't tell you that there is a high possibility. There are different efficiencies of transmission; but this we do know: body fluids on any dry surface (whether the fluid is urine or blood & whether the fluid is wet or dry), can leave on that surface virus which is alive and infective for many days. So it is a hazard. If you sit on that toilet seat, your intact skin is somewhat a barrier--but not a complete barrier. Two people contracted AIDS through intact skin. Blood had rested on intact skin which was in contact with their skin (in one instance for just a couple of minutes before it was washed off with soap and water). Actually, there is no such thing as "intact skin"-- because you have hair follicles, sweat glands, oral glands, and many people will have microscopic cuts or abrasions in their skin. So the AIDS virus can be taken through the skin and mucous membranes by cells, called Langerhan cells, which have specific receptors on them for HIV.
So blood on the skin is dangerous. But far worse can be blood transfusions. If you get a whole unit of blood that has AIDS in it, you virtually have a 100 percent chance of getting AIDS. If you get stuck with a needle with AIDS virus on it, your risk is about 1 out of 250 of turning positive, but who wants to take one chance in 250 of dying? Everything is according to efficiency of transmission. Body fluids on a toilet seat are probably lower than a needle stick, but the Centers for Disease Control will tell you it can't happen that way at all; and yet 5 percent of all patients in this country with AIDS have been investigated and have no known risk factors. In other words, they didn't acquire it in any of the "three ways" that you can get it. There are about ten thousand people that have AIDS, and they don't know how they got it, yet CDC keeps saying there is no other way you can get it.
C: My name is Peggy. I have a question about mosquitoes and the transmission of AIDS.
D: A few months ago, I decided to attack this question head on. I wrote to the Centers for Disease Control, under the freedom of information act, asking for all of their articles showing that insects do not transmit AIDS, and they sent them to me. But in reality, what that information shows is that mosquitoes do transmit AIDS, and the CDC even admits it. I have in my hands a book that was sent to me by the CDC, printed September 1987 by the Congress of the United States Office of Technology Assessments, and it is entitled "Do Insects Transmit AIDS?" Well, in the first couple of pages, they say there are two forms of transmission of viral diseases by insects. One is biologic transmission which would include malaria where the organism reproduces in the salivary glands. They claim that HIV will not reproduce in the salivary glands of a mosquito, yet when a mosquito bites you, it gets blood on its mouth parts. If you brush it away, then the mosquito goes to another person and injects your blood into that other person. That is called mechanical transmission. Then we turn to page four of this booklet where the government admits that many viral diseases are transmitted by mechanical transmission of mosquitoes and bedbugs. In fact, hepatitis B virus, which is used as a model for the AIDS virus, has been mechanically transmitted, according to this booklet, to rabbits and guinea pigs by bedbugs that have fed on hepatitis B infected blood. Then, on page eight, they say HIV viruses persist - remain alive - in mosquitoes for up to 48 hours, in bedbugs for up to 72 hours. But there is more: On page 15 they tell about experiments designed to answer the question whether HIV can survive in blood-sucking insects long enough to be transmitted, even though interrupted feeding may occur, have shown it is possible. Now this is from the government.
C: I just would like to know where the HIV virus originated? I mean, I have heard so many different stories like malnourished people in Africa all the way to drug users of today. How did it really originate? Has anybody made that final study?
D: There are a lot of study series on where it came from. In my book, I discussed the series that I support at the present time. It certainly could have arrived at its present status on its own by just developing more and more resistance because it got into healthier and healthier groups.
The explosion of this coincides with the homosexual revolution and the heterosexual revolution. And gay men in bath houses have hundreds and thousands of partners per year. They have a lot of other diseases. So this organism could have gotten into that group and gone wild; and then, when it got into the blood supply, it got hardier because it was infecting very healthy people.
There is some speculation that the government itself actually developed this virus. And there are some people who even suggest that it was purposely put into the smallpox vaccine that went to Africa, and that the government of this country wanted to infect the Africans and kill them. I have no support for that theory at all.
But I do have support for the theory that the government was thinking about making an organism such as this. I have in my hand the Department of Defense Appropriation for 1970. This was a meeting that occurred in the government on July 1, 1969, and the minutes that were printed by the U.S. Government Printing Office, for the United States Senate Library. This was the subcommittee on appropriation, House of Representatives Ninety-first Congress. George Mann of Texas was the chairman. This subcommittee was interviewing a doctor, named McCarthy, and the subcommittee minutes contain this statement by Dr. McCarthy: "Within a period of five to ten years, it would be possible to produce a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired." Then Mr. Sikes asks, "Are we doing anything in that field?" Dr. McCarthy says, "No." Sike says, "Is it because of a lack of money or lack of interest?" Dr. McCarthy says, "Certainly, not a lack of interest." So Mr. Sike says, "Would you provide, for our records, information on what would be required, what the advantages of such a program would be, and the time and cost involved." Dr. McCarthy says, "We will be happy to do that." And then that official subcommittee went on to say that, within the next five to ten years, it will probably be possible to make a new and effective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be resistant to the normal immunological processes upon which we now depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease. The biological researcher went on to tell the subcommittee that, a research program to explore the feasibility of this, could be completed in approximately six years at a total cost of ten million dollars. Then, down on the bottom of the page, it said, "It is a highly controversial issue, and there are many who believe such research should not be undertaken unless it leads to yet another method of massive killing of large populations. And that is what our government was discussing on July 1, 1969.
A: Ladies and gentleman that is shocking, yet it is documented.
C: In March of this year, we are going to go to the American Mosquito Control Association convention in Corpus Christi, Texas. Being in a pest control business, I have a tremendous interest in mosquitoes and the possibility of the AIDS virus being spread by mosquitoes. The reason I am going to this convention this year is because last year I understand that, at this convention, there would be over eight hundred of leading scientists and entomologists from all over the world. A closed-door, by-invitation-only meeting is scheduled to be held at this convention, where these scientists will discuss the spreading of the AIDS virus by mosquitoes because of the incoagulate enzyme that a mosquito has in its body. When a mosquito bites a person and injects this enzyme, before they begin to draw their blood meal, the AIDS virus can be placed in the body along with that anticoagulant which they initially inject beneath the skin. So mosquitoes, conceivably, could spread the AIDS virus. If this fact is a reality, why are the American people not being told that there is potential for some one hundred forty-seven different species of mosquitoes to spread AIDS virus?
D: The reason is because there is tremendous political pressure from the homosexual community; they are afraid that, if people find out this is a problem, there will have to be segregation or isolation of those who are infected, and they do not want that to happen. The government does not want that to happen, either because they do not want to spend the time and money testing everyone. Or they just don't want to put all the money into it, and they keep hoping for a vaccine or a cure right around the corner which is not going to happen.
The same booklet that I was just reading to you mentions this: "If there are some unusual circumstances that come together in the United States, maybe mosquito transmission would be of major importance, but those are very unique."
Here are the circumstances that they discuss:
1-A lot of people living close together. Of course, we are suppose to believe that never occurs in any place in the United States! This is absurd. All over the United State there are many people who live close together, and yet they said, "If there was a high insect-biting population with some HIV positive people, then this would be an unusual and unique circumstance. Yes, then the mosquito transmission would be of major import in this country." They want to negate this. The CDC documents it in booklets like this, then they tell the public the opposite. When the public gets it later on, they say, "you told us that this could not happen." They will say, "Oh no, no. Look, we published it years ago," but they publish it only in places that people won't see copies of it. When I called up to try to get more of these booklets from the government printing office, they told me that they had been discontinued and they no longer print them.
Another ally is Dr. Mark Whiteside from an institute in Miami. He agrees clearly that mosquitoes do transmit AIDS. He said that, in Africa now, 20 percent of all new AIDS infection are children between the ages of 3-13 years old. Only 50 percent of those children have a mother with AIDS, so it is not being transmitted at birth. They feel clearly that the mosquitoes and other insects are transmitting AIDS in Africa.
C: First of all, Doctor, I want to commend you. I thank the Lord for the fact that you are willing to put your valuable reputation on the line and inform people because people look to physicians in a reverent way. Your opinion is going to count an awful lot. My wife is a registered nurse, and she graduated six years ago. In Alabama, cases of AIDS were extremely rare. However, in the hospital that she works now in the heart unit, they have had a couple of AIDS patients there. I have teenagers, and I continually inform them of the latest information that is available. I not only inform my own children, but I also do that from the pulpit. I thank you for this information, and I will make it public from my pulpit.
C: I have a question about getting AIDS from the basic public facilities like a water fountain or a swimming pool? Does one need to be concerned?
D: With water fountains, I have no evidence that it could transmit it. It is continually new, flowing water. As long as you don't put your mouth on something which someone else could have put their mouth on. As far as swimming pools, if you call the Centers for Disease Control, they will tell you that you cannot get AIDS from a swimming pool. The truth is they have never done any experiments on it. They stick to the story that there is chlorine in the water and chlorine will kill the AIDS virus.
There are many diseases transmitted by swimming pools that are properly chlorinated and filtered. If an AIDS patient is swimming close to you, who expresses a large volume of body fluid such as spit saliva or urine and you ingest that in your mouth at close range, there is no way that there is going to be enough chlorine content in that water to kill all of that HIV virus when it is that close to you. Swimming pools can be dangerous. But even more insidious is the fact that pools frequently are not properly filtered and do not have enough chlorine. Did you know that, in Los Angeles County they pay a large sum of money to have the public pools inspected three times a year? Yet, in reality, the average public pool in Los Angeles is only inspected once every four years.
C: I am a register nurse. And, for the years that we have heard about AIDS, I have been told nothing but lies in the hospital when I have any in-service training seminars. It is appalling that some nurses are being told such lies in the hospitals. The other thing that I wanted to ask is about dentists. I understand that a young lady received HIV from a drill that was not properly cleaned. When you ask the doctor about his sterilization, you never can get through to him. You just get the front desk. How do you know if they are really sterilizing their instruments? This might be a little extreme, but is there a way that you can buy your own instruments and bring them in so you know that they are clean? I am really concerned about dentists.
D: You are right to be concerned about dentists, and I can tell you that you have no apology to make. Dentists' offices are dangerous. The information that you and much of the public have heard about Kimberly getting it through dirty instruments happens to be untrue. Many people would like you to believe that. First of all, let me say that AIDS can be transmitted in the dental offices through dirty instruments. And what you should know is that the drill that they drill into your teeth has a water spray. When they first developed this drill, it would drip on the blouse or shirt when they removed it from the mouth so they put a retraction valve on it. The big problem is that the retraction valve takes up one cc of your saliva into the tubing and then expresses it into the next patient's mouth. So this is dangerous for a lot of reasons, even beyond AIDS. It is dangerous for all other contagious diseases. It is totally unhygienic.
[A cubic centimeter equals 0.610 cu. inch, which would be equivalent to a cube of water that was 6/10ths of an inch on each side.]
But let me tell you about Kimberly. First of all I was an extra witness for Kimberly in her suit against the dentist. I was a consultant for the Centers for Disease Control on this case. There is absolutely no evidence that the dentist ever stuck himself on any of the five patients he gave it to. There is no evidence that he used dirty instruments in his own mouth, and then used some on the patients. That is what they would like you to believe. And they would just say well, if dentists just would sterilize their instruments properly, we would not have this problem. But that is not the problem.
Let me give some information: First of all, we know that every AIDS patient has AIDS virus in his lungs. We know that AIDS virus can be expressed when a person coughs, sneezes, or breathes. We know that the AIDS virus can go right through a surgical mask like BBs through a tennis net. It is too small to be filtered out by the mask. We know that it survives for a distance of at least two feet in the air. We know that Kimberly had open extraction wounds in her mouth. We know that a dentist works four inches from your face. Also, what the public wasn't told is that, at the time, the doctor who was taking care of Kimberly, had seven sarcoma [surface AIDS cancer] lesions in his mouth. One was a recent biopsy that was draining into his mouth. We must at least investigate the possibility of respiratory transmission of this virus by coughing, sneezing, or talking at a very close range, such as a dentist does when he works on a patient. But the CDC refuses to investigate that.
(Dr. Day's video on AIDS is available from Harvestime Books. Check the video section.
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